This is the unedited transcript of the 13 Dec 2010 Organizers' Meeting that took place in the BetterGEDCOM Chat Room. Be sure to see the BetterGEDCOM Calendar for scheduled meetings.

2010-12-13 16:01:03 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ===================================
2010-12-13 16:01:14 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: WELCOME to the weekly Organizer's meeting at BetterGEDCOM.
2010-12-13 16:01:21 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: our Agenda is as follows:
2010-12-13 16:01:24 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: AGENDA ITEMS: 1. Wiki Update 2. Blog Update 3. Roles Update 4. Large Meeting Update 5. OpenGen Update 6. RootsTech 2011 Update 7. New Items
2010-12-13 16:01:49 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Will there be anything to add under "new items", so I can adjust the time?
2010-12-13 16:01:50 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I've been in other volunteer organizations andd sooner or later they are all guilty of being so busy doing they forget to let people know what they are doing :)
2010-12-13 16:02:29 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I'm logging this meeting... do I have you permission to post the blog in our public BetterGEDCOM wiki?
2010-12-13 16:02:34 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes
2010-12-13 16:02:38 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: blog=log.
2010-12-13 16:02:38 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yes.
2010-12-13 16:02:43 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: thank=yu.
2010-12-13 16:02:56 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Let's note that Russ is away for his daughter's birthday celebration.
2010-12-13 16:03:08 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Since we met last week, Greg has resigned from BetterGEDCOM.
2010-12-13 16:03:17 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Andy has joined us this afternoon/evening.
2010-12-13 16:03:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:03:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:03:25 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Ok, Item #1 - update on wiki.
2010-12-13 16:03:40 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I have a few things to report... and then will open this topic to the floor.
2010-12-13 16:04:01 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: . I've reconstructed several missing elements to the wiki, that disappeared over the weekend:
2010-12-13 16:04:06 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Calendar
2010-12-13 16:04:14 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: being the most important.
2010-12-13 16:04:38 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I also modified the chat room interface, and modified the main page to show a link to the BetterGEDCOM blog.
2010-12-13 16:04:53 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:04:54 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:05:07 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: What else on the Wiki?
2010-12-13 16:05:09 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:05:09 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:05:27 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I did
2010-12-13 16:05:40 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: better on the wiki today and this weekend than I have before
2010-12-13 16:05:47 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ;)
2010-12-13 16:05:53 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Subscribing to all the postings, changes, etc. has helped.
2010-12-13 16:06:04 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I wonder if we should suggest this to those who join?
2010-12-13 16:06:23 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: How about adding that to the main page, GeneJ?
2010-12-13 16:06:27 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I will
2010-12-13 16:06:32 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: thx
2010-12-13 16:06:34 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: About the counter ...
2010-12-13 16:06:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: we are sure that is lost, right/
2010-12-13 16:06:42 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I find getting the postings by e-mail is much easier to keep track of things than following teh actual Wiki.
2010-12-13 16:06:42 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: right?
2010-12-13 16:07:03 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Greg merely must share the UN & PW, but he has specifically declined to do so.
2010-12-13 16:07:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: (Yes Andy, I had been trying to keep track of them by site organization)
2010-12-13 16:07:29 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: He indicated he had deleted the account.
2010-12-13 16:07:32 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I also received the postings via email.
2010-12-13 16:07:50 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: So that even UN and PW would not restore the history
2010-12-13 16:08:02 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Well, that's unfortunate. We can obtain a different SiteMeter account. We just lost our history, darn in.
2010-12-13 16:08:04 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ok.
2010-12-13 16:08:09 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- New counter time then :)
2010-12-13 16:08:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes.
2010-12-13 16:08:31 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Either Russ or I will get Site Meter, and remove this generic one that is locked. We cannot read stats at all.
2010-12-13 16:08:49 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I accept the assignment as Russ is traveling.
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2010-12-13 16:08:50 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ,
2010-12-13 16:09:06 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I'd also like to mention that I posted the notice about Tamura's blog award.
2010-12-13 16:09:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Humm...
2010-12-13 16:09:20 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: but Ihave yet to do the one from the Tampa Tribune article.
2010-12-13 16:09:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: maybe we should LEAVE the one that is there...
2010-12-13 16:09:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: it at least has the total on it
2010-12-13 16:09:56 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: One can easily modify Site Meter to show a different than ZERO beginning total.
2010-12-13 16:09:57 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: and ADD a new one?
2010-12-13 16:10:04 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-13 16:10:11 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: bear nods
2010-12-13 16:10:31 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ok, anything more to add about the WIKI itself?
2010-12-13 16:10:44 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:10:45 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:10:56 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: If not then we'll move to 2. UPDATE ON BLOG
2010-12-13 16:10:57 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:10:57 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:11:03 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ would you take the mic on that one?
2010-12-13 16:11:07 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Sure.
2010-12-13 16:11:25 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Russ continues to post GEDCOM information to the blog
2010-12-13 16:11:43 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: We've covered Gramps portable, FTM, FTM (Mac), TMG and ...
2010-12-13 16:11:48 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I think GENBOX.
2010-12-13 16:12:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: He has started to investigate error codes and person differences.
2010-12-13 16:12:10 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: grrr! Gramps portable-YECH!
2010-12-13 16:12:34 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Both Russ and I have entered blogs about how and when we enter information.
2010-12-13 16:13:01 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt has asked that I upload TMG screen shots and include links to a fabulous TMG website, Terry's Tips
2010-12-13 16:13:17 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: The screen shots have been made, but I haven't posted them yet.
2010-12-13 16:13:23 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Terry' Tips is a reall GREAT site.
2010-12-13 16:13:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes.
2010-12-13 16:13:36 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Reigel is very helpful.
2010-12-13 16:13:41 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes.
2010-12-13 16:14:06 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: His site and Lee's site will be referenced when we get into sources a little more, too.
2010-12-13 16:14:17 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I have continued to blog about "evidence"
2010-12-13 16:14:35 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: useing other than common birth indexes.
2010-12-13 16:14:41 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Hoping to move the dialog from the
2010-12-13 16:15:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: common ... was gramma born 8 april or 18 april to those research / reasoning and evidence matters that involve
2010-12-13 16:15:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: a variety of evidence (indirect, negative), etc.
2010-12-13 16:15:31 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:15:31 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:15:43 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: OK -- I see that Russ has started using a modified test database for his work. (Removing private info on his mother.) There was a comment today from an anonymous user wondering about the database.
2010-12-13 16:15:44 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: and to show how a "body" of evidence is often involved in reasoned arguments.
2010-12-13 16:15:48 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ooops sorry.
2010-12-13 16:16:06 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Russ is useing the TEST database from FTM.
2010-12-13 16:16:10 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: QUESTION ...
2010-12-13 16:16:11 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: oic
2010-12-13 16:16:15 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: yes?
2010-12-13 16:16:26 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ANdy ... do you know if we coul use the SAMPLE project in TMG in the same way?
2010-12-13 16:16:36 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Would we have a copyright issue? Licensing issue?
2010-12-13 16:17:02 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Hmmm.. I don't know- you could always ask Bob- it is his family :)
2010-12-13 16:17:10 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Good point.
2010-12-13 16:17:32 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: But if someone wants to re-do your tests, he have to use the same database, which comes with every TMG sold.
2010-12-13 16:17:33 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I hate to ask him anything ... with the hoped v8 coming out so soon.
2010-12-13 16:17:53 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I think Genbox has a sample project too
2010-12-13 16:18:00 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I can for sure ask Bill Flight.
2010-12-13 16:18:08 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Gene- yeah- I know what you mean- don't want ANY delays on that!
2010-12-13 16:18:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: :)
2010-12-13 16:18:28 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:18:28 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:18:32 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I'll inquire of Bill Flight.
2010-12-13 16:18:37 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: thanks, Gene J.
2010-12-13 16:18:40 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:18:41 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:18:45 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: It is VERY helpful if we don't have to rebuild the wheel.
2010-12-13 16:18:56 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: any more UPDATES from the BLOG?
2010-12-13 16:19:08 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: HOWeEr, the sourcs in the FTM text database are Not going to "show" the problems we have
2010-12-13 16:19:14 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-13 16:19:25 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ...bear blog comment ... the end
2010-12-13 16:19:32 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Andy?
2010-12-13 16:19:51 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: If you need a test dayabase use Royal92. ged- probably the most popular single gedcom in the world!
2010-12-13 16:20:19 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ can you share that with Russ?
2010-12-13 16:20:26 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Well sourced?
2010-12-13 16:20:36 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Oh, yes.
2010-12-13 16:20:40 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: He'll love this.
2010-12-13 16:20:57 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Can't think of anything for blog updatres- remember - I haven't even see it yet :)
2010-12-13 16:21:01 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: One problem with using another database is that it is hard to recognize when data is missing -- if it wasn't stuff you initially typed in yourself.
2010-12-13 16:21:02 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: May I add one comment?
2010-12-13 16:21:06 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ya!
2010-12-13 16:21:13 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: When we TEST stuff..
2010-12-13 16:21:32 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: we want to have a VARIETY of family circumstance and an array of evidence types.
2010-12-13 16:21:55 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Long story, but there aare some permenant problems or persistant
2010-12-13 16:22:13 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: missing things in our existing software because this stpe wasn't taken years ago.
2010-12-13 16:22:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: the end
2010-12-13 16:22:25 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Good argument for using a modified or shortened version of your own database. Thank-you GeneJ.
2010-12-13 16:22:29 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:22:30 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:22:33 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: 3. Roles Update
2010-12-13 16:22:35 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:22:36 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:22:52 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: This is a sticky wicket... wondering how we can encourage another "techie" type to assist
2010-12-13 16:22:58 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: in the absence of Greg...
2010-12-13 16:23:19 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: someone who is prepared to help bridge the gap between us end-users and the developers/coders.
2010-12-13 16:23:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Adrian sure was helpful today
2010-12-13 16:23:29 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: yes.
2010-12-13 16:23:50 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Perhaps one will emerge. A lot has happened since our last meeting.
2010-12-13 16:23:59 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: We cannot just draft someone.
2010-12-13 16:24:02 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Louis, also
2010-12-13 16:24:44 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: any one of the wiki participants might be willing... it takes someone willing to listen to all parties, not just push his/her own existing product.
2010-12-13 16:24:59 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Let's remember, we have lurkers, too
2010-12-13 16:25:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Yes, some sure wrote to me in the last 24 hours or so...
2010-12-13 16:25:32 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Shall we table the ROLES agenda item until next week?
2010-12-13 16:25:36 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yeah- I noticed- what- 87 or so and maybe 15 posting?
2010-12-13 16:25:41 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: see what happens when the dust settles?
2010-12-13 16:26:09 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: there are also lurkers who haven't registered with the blog.
2010-12-13 16:26:11 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ...Except to ask if Andy has suggestions for us
2010-12-13 16:26:11 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yes- I'd table til next meeting.
2010-12-13 16:26:20 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ok -- tabled.
2010-12-13 16:26:26 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Andy, thanks for being here today.
2010-12-13 16:26:27 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:26:28 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:26:34 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: yes!!
2010-12-13 16:26:40 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: My pleasure- really!
2010-12-13 16:26:57 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I'd like to discuss the Large Meeting Update
2010-12-13 16:27:03 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Great
2010-12-13 16:27:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: and consider that it doesn't look to me like OpenGen is willing to allow BetterGEDCOM to host our own meetings over there.
2010-12-13 16:27:41 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: but perhaps this enhanced chat room will work for a while, until we reach capacity. I think it is 25.
2010-12-13 16:27:47 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: might be higher.
2010-12-13 16:27:51 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: this is about 2 hours old.
2010-12-13 16:28:07 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: but if rightnow we've only got about 15 active participants of the wiki....
2010-12-13 16:28:13 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: then we're probably going to be OK.
2010-12-13 16:28:27 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- since Gene and I are TMG users I see no reason it couldn't be done in the TMG chat Room if needed.
2010-12-13 16:28:35 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Voice would be nice, but text allows us to log
2010-12-13 16:28:38 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: how many can be there at once?
2010-12-13 16:28:47 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: we need to log our discussions.
2010-12-13 16:28:51 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: GREAT thought, Andy
2010-12-13 16:28:59 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: since we're dealing with a wider audience ultimately.
2010-12-13 16:29:15 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Let's work with this interface until we outgrow it.
2010-12-13 16:29:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: what do you think?
2010-12-13 16:29:28 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-13 16:29:38 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: It shoudl get people in the habit of coming here.
2010-12-13 16:29:40 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I'm not sure but I know it used to be over 25- when 7.04 was released Bob first online chat after that had more than that I know.
2010-12-13 16:29:47 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I've also posted the calendar as a link at the top of the CHAT page.
2010-12-13 16:29:58 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-13 16:30:24 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I'll read more about this chat interface. It is used by Afrigeneas.org, with much success. However they may have a much more enhanced version.
2010-12-13 16:30:37 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Comment about agenda for LGM
2010-12-13 16:30:46 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I had to buy two levels up from the freebie version to get the LOGGING capability.
2010-12-13 16:30:53 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Until we hit 25 this will work. and actually I prefer type over voice- leads to less confusion about who said what.
2010-12-13 16:30:53 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: it's PErFeCt to set the agenda in the wiki
2010-12-13 16:31:18 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Where we set up a few topics, and let members add questions, etc.
2010-12-13 16:31:33 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Perhaps we could draw a larger audience, too
2010-12-13 16:31:38 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: hope so.
2010-12-13 16:32:08 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Do we want to ask participants to add a topic?
2010-12-13 16:32:10 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: How about I modify this chat room page to link to a page with our agendas -- past (with log) and
2010-12-13 16:32:20 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: specifically one they wanna talk about.
2010-12-13 16:32:22 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I'll have to think about that a bit.
2010-12-13 16:32:28 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Ohhhh that would be great.
2010-12-13 16:32:33 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: don't want to overstructure the meetings.... just have them.
2010-12-13 16:33:03 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I do have an agenda item for the first meeting -- to AGREE ON HOW TO AGREE for a "consensus of opinion" when developing the new standard.
2010-12-13 16:33:18 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Have first half structures and 2nd half open floor ;)
2010-12-13 16:33:19 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I cannot speak or vote, as I don't know how to do the coding... end--useritus.
2010-12-13 16:33:27 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: that's roughly it....
2010-12-13 16:33:28 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: :}
2010-12-13 16:33:56 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Don't we also need to start the XML or not dialog, also?
2010-12-13 16:34:09 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: We've been holding off on scheduling the Large Group Meeting...
2010-12-13 16:34:25 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: but shall we now schedule these weekly?
2010-12-13 16:34:36 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I think that might work more effectively.
2010-12-13 16:34:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I say yes
2010-12-13 16:34:49 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I wonder what Russ thinks on this.
2010-12-13 16:35:01 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I hate to say this but... if BG has any hope to be adopted by others I think XL is about the only choice.
2010-12-13 16:35:08 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Andy as one of the blog participants, what is your take?
2010-12-13 16:35:11 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: He did the original survey on places and timezones
2010-12-13 16:35:18 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: when we were going to hold it last week
2010-12-13 16:35:48 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: shall we hold the meeings weekly?
2010-12-13 16:35:53 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Isay yes
2010-12-13 16:36:01 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Andy?
2010-12-13 16:36:06 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: and from the first meeting ..
2010-12-13 16:36:19 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Big weekly meetings might be a drag for some people- for me personally- they would be Heaven!
2010-12-13 16:36:26 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: IN the first meeting, that is one thing we can use for "deciding"
2010-12-13 16:36:38 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: well, with the agenda PREPOSTED folks will know which one to attend.
2010-12-13 16:36:57 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Wonder if we should
2010-12-13 16:37:02 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: consider having them
2010-12-13 16:37:07 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: alternate for timezones
2010-12-13 16:37:08 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- true, if they saw no items they were interested in that would help.
2010-12-13 16:37:13 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: like one week ... normal ..
2010-12-13 16:37:20 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: then one week ... extra early or late
2010-12-13 16:37:39 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok-question...
2010-12-13 16:37:40 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: normal meaing US time zone?
2010-12-13 16:37:46 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: yes
2010-12-13 16:37:53 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: GLAD you guys weren't on headsets -- I just had a huge sneeze!
2010-12-13 16:38:00 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: lol
2010-12-13 16:38:02 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: (uncontrolable)
2010-12-13 16:38:13 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Do the meetings have to be during the week?
2010-12-13 16:38:14 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: It's the dust settling
2010-12-13 16:38:24 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: LOL.
2010-12-13 16:38:31 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: How about one on weekend, and one during week?
2010-12-13 16:38:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: :)
2010-12-13 16:38:39 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: every other week have one or the other?
2010-12-13 16:38:43 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: zzi like that
2010-12-13 16:38:49 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: do you think that would help our BetterGEDCOMers?
2010-12-13 16:38:59 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I know Bob does two meeting on the same day for different time zones.
2010-12-13 16:39:06 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes, he does
2010-12-13 16:39:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Gosh -- I don't need ANY more meetings.... LOL.
2010-12-13 16:39:38 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: It wouldhelp if the log from the first meeting was posted PRIOR to the second meeting.
2010-12-13 16:39:57 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Question ..
2010-12-13 16:39:59 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ?
2010-12-13 16:40:04 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: WHERE are we going to post logs?
2010-12-13 16:40:10 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: no problem -- on the wiki.
2010-12-13 16:40:11 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: (including this log)
2010-12-13 16:40:12 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- in communications school- that is a given.
2010-12-13 16:40:14 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: will create a space.
2010-12-13 16:40:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: tyty
2010-12-13 16:40:28 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: no problemo.
2010-12-13 16:40:52 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: and post a link at the top of this page to the main "Meeting Logs" pae.
2010-12-13 16:40:54 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: page.
2010-12-13 16:40:59 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ..
2010-12-13 16:41:00 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: KK
2010-12-13 16:41:06 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: How about moving to the next blog topic?
2010-12-13 16:41:16 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Meeting topic... sorry
2010-12-13 16:41:20 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: OpenGen....
2010-12-13 16:41:22 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Whatever you wish :)
2010-12-13 16:41:36 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: You two attended the meeting... I kept getting bounced out.
2010-12-13 16:42:11 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: My initial take is that only 8 people attended... 2 from OpenGen, 1 from FamilySearch, Greg, Andy, GeneJ, (me partially) and another person Paul.
2010-12-13 16:42:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:42:18 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:42:27 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Andy let's hand you the mic
2010-12-13 16:42:33 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: what was your take on the meeting?
2010-12-13 16:42:37 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yep I think that was it.
2010-12-13 16:43:12 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Scott stated he was going to write the code...
2010-12-13 16:43:16 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: as I recall.
2010-12-13 16:43:33 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I guess it is up to him to get people to join with him.
2010-12-13 16:43:51 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ?
2010-12-13 16:43:52 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- My take is that their immediate goals are about the same as BG - but I'm not sure of their long term goals.
2010-12-13 16:44:22 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I wrote down the first two priorities were
2010-12-13 16:44:38 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: lossless transfer and archival (same as ours)
2010-12-13 16:44:40 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: There was a time or two where he used the word "my" and then backtracked to "our", so I'm not sure what that says either.
2010-12-13 16:44:55 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-13 16:45:05 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: He also explained that AppleTree is funding OpenGen.
2010-12-13 16:45:15 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: or did I hear that wrong?
2010-12-13 16:45:47 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I wrote that down
2010-12-13 16:45:57 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I think it wouldn't hurt to take with them. I think both could learn from the other. Like Granny said- They can visit but they can't stay overnight!: ;)
2010-12-13 16:45:57 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-13 16:46:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: LOL
2010-12-13 16:46:14 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: cute -- I think we'd love your Granny!
2010-12-13 16:46:38 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I made a couple other specific notes
2010-12-13 16:46:46 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Scott will make decisions
2010-12-13 16:47:03 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: they will work first to define the objects and then, afterwards, to
2010-12-13 16:47:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: design the "model"
2010-12-13 16:47:11 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yes- AppleTree is funding OpenGen - as Scott said "Because sombody had to".
2010-12-13 16:47:46 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I should mention that when their meeting notice went out, a number of "lurkers" of BG wrote to me personally, thinking I had partnered with OpenGen. I have no authority to partner with them. I was willing to talk with them... and have invited them to post at BetterGEDCOM so folks can get to know him.
2010-12-13 16:48:22 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Gordon (FamilySearch) added that
2010-12-13 16:48:43 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: they are interested in making RECORD level
2010-12-13 16:48:53 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Didn'r Scott say a recording of the webinar would be posted tommorrow?
2010-12-13 16:49:03 [Disconnect] DearMYRTLE
2010-12-13 16:49:21 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: connections (to people) ... (as opposed to trees first)
2010-12-13 16:49:24 [Login] DearMYRTLE
2010-12-13 16:49:24 [IP] DearMYRTLE: 66.133.97.196
2010-12-13 16:49:25 [Join Room] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting
2010-12-13 16:49:36 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: sorry -- must have hit the wrong button on my keyboard.
2010-12-13 16:49:36 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Err... won't it be available behind the closed door?
2010-12-13 16:50:05 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: All of Scott's resources require a PW, but he said he was willing to give one to anyone who asked.
2010-12-13 16:50:18 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Hmm.. I thought it was going to be on their website- not bootcamp.
2010-12-13 16:50:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: They have two work spaces ... www.gliffy.com and www.openalliance.basecamphg.com
2010-12-13 16:50:28 [Disconnect] DearMYRTLE
2010-12-13 16:50:36 [IP] DearMYRTLE: 66.133.97.196
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2010-12-13 16:50:37 [Join Room] DearMYRTLE -> Chat Lobby
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2010-12-13 16:50:39 [Exit Room] DearMYRTLE -> Chat Lobby
2010-12-13 16:50:49 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Not doing well on copy/paste I guess.
2010-12-13 16:51:04 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: LOL! Myrt is doing her nails and keeps hitting the keyboard! :)
2010-12-13 16:51:07 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I think those are my notes...
2010-12-13 16:51:24 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: LOL.
2010-12-13 16:51:30 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Ooo
2010-12-13 16:51:38 [Disconnect] DearMYRTLE
2010-12-13 16:51:42 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Scott did say that he will continue to monitor the
2010-12-13 16:51:47 [Join Room] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting
2010-12-13 16:51:47 [IP] DearMYRTLE: 66.133.97.196
2010-12-13 16:51:47 [Login] DearMYRTLE
2010-12-13 16:51:50 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: BetterGEDCOM wiki; he will
2010-12-13 16:51:50 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: sEE!
2010-12-13 16:52:09 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: add to the wiki as he believes he has items to contribute to the dialog.
2010-12-13 16:52:49 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I think it is ver important not to ignore the talent over at BetterGEDCOM.
2010-12-13 16:53:14 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:53:14 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:53:20 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: We've got about 7 more minutes....
2010-12-13 16:53:27 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: shall we move to the "RootsTech 2011 Update" ?
2010-12-13 16:53:38 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Yes.
2010-12-13 16:53:51 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Truw- too much good talent there - just how to let them makes the best use of themselves for BG.
2010-12-13 16:54:22 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: It would appear to me from Gordon Clarke's comments at the OpenGen meeting that the RootsTech people have moved away from a "BetterGEDCOM" open discussion to a "Genealogy Technology" open discussion.
2010-12-13 16:54:30 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: probably trying to take a middle road there.
2010-12-13 16:54:50 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: OpenGen is planning to have a booth there.
2010-12-13 16:55:02 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I don't feel compelled to pay for a BetterGEDCOM booth.
2010-12-13 16:55:16 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I don't own this project... I just created the workspace.
2010-12-13 16:55:31 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I think that work can be accomplished here without a booth.
2010-12-13 16:55:43 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Not unless we are a lot farther along than I think we will be- a useless expense at that point.
2010-12-13 16:56:16 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Even so, having a booth doesn't preclude adoption of a new GEDCOM format
2010-12-13 16:56:19 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Our wiki and blog are open.
2010-12-13 16:56:26 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: right.
2010-12-13 16:56:29 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: so we have a 24-7
2010-12-13 16:56:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: booth
2010-12-13 16:56:37 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: we shall see what develops at our Large Group Meetings.
2010-12-13 16:56:43 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Good idea
2010-12-13 16:56:56 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I'm ready to report on progress in my DearMYRTLE blog when the group thinks appropriate.
2010-12-13 16:57:09 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: wonder why that text appeared in RED?
2010-12-13 16:57:10 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I do hope some of the lurkers will de-lurk for those meetings.
2010-12-13 16:57:12 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I didn't do that.
2010-12-13 16:57:16 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: me twoo!
2010-12-13 16:57:20 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: too.
2010-12-13 16:57:23 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: LOL
2010-12-13 16:57:30 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: TWOO should about cover it!
2010-12-13 16:57:31 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: LOL
2010-12-13 16:57:53 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Any new items to discuss?
2010-12-13 16:58:02 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:58:02 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: .
2010-12-13 16:58:20 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: What red?
2010-12-13 16:58:49 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Sorry- couldn't resist :)
2010-12-13 16:59:04 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Didn't do it....
2010-12-13 16:59:06 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: No new items from me.
2010-12-13 16:59:28 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: change back to normal... and then type your screen name in this field, it will do the same thing.
2010-12-13 16:59:35 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: (I'll bet!)
2010-12-13 16:59:42 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I didn't change font color.
2010-12-13 16:59:45 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: GeneJ
2010-12-13 16:59:50 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I did .
2010-12-13 17:00:14 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Just to repeat the TY to Tamara for the blog award. That was real nice.
2010-12-13 17:00:25 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: well, we're really stretching for content if we're trying the new chat screen out...... LOL.
2010-12-13 17:00:35 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I believe his names is spelled TamUra.
2010-12-13 17:00:58 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: OK, we'll hold our next meeting same time next week.
2010-12-13 17:01:10 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: I'll go fetch the log, create a page for it and then go from there.
2010-12-13 17:01:16 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2010-12-13 17:01:16 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- see you then ;)
2010-12-13 17:01:20 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: Shall we adjourn?
2010-12-13 17:01:30 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: ===================================4
2010-12-13 17:01:33 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: End of meeting
2010-12-13 17:01:37 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: =====================================
2010-12-13 17:01:38 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I bet you are right ... forgive me Tamura.
2010-12-13 17:01:39 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: As thte commercial says... Nytol!
2010-12-13 17:01:42 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: bad paws
2010-12-13 17:01:54 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ni ni
2010-12-13 17:01:55 [Message] DearMYRTLE -> Organizers Meeting: thanks gang! Appreciate your ideas and comments.